A group of Australian Muslim
and Catholic leaders participated in a joint prototype
pilgrimage to Istanbul and Rome. This tour enabled religious
leaders from both faith groups to study and understand each
others’ religious values, customs and significant
institutions by means of a close encounter. Spending two
weeks together, meant that the 11 Muslims and 11 Christians
would travel, eat and sleep together, sharing all the
special moments as well as the challenging ones. It
certainly was living dialogue to the fullest. The important
pilgrimage was organised under the umbrella of the historic
MOU signed between the Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne and
the Australian Intercultural Society,
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Bishop Christopher
Prowse, Auxiliary Bishop of Melbourne; Member of the
Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue.
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Rev. Dr. John
Dupuche, Chair of the Catholic Interfaith Committee;
and member of the Ecumenical and Interfaith
Commission of the Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne.
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Mr David Schütz,
Executive Officer of the Ecumenical and Interfaith
Commission of the Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne.
- Dr
Stewart Sharlow, Catholic Interfaith Committee of
the Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne
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Mrs Charlotte Hain-Sharlow, Catholic Interfaith
Committee of the Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne
- Dr
Max Stephens,
member of the Ecumenical and Interfaith Commission
of the Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne; chair of
the Faith and Order Commission of the Victorian
Council of Churches.
- Dr
Gwenda Rait, Catholic Interfaith Committee of the
Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne.
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Fr Denis Stanley,
Parish Priest of St. Francis Xavier's Catholic
Parish; member of the Ecumenical and Interfaith
Commission; Vice President of the Victorian Council
of Churches.
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Dr Anita Ray,
Research Fellow at the Asia-Pacific Centre for
Inter-religious Dialogue, Australian Catholic
University (Melbourne) and former lecturer
in Sanskrit at the Asian Studies Department, La
Trobe University.
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Professor Anne Hunt, Campus Dean of the Ballarat
Campus of Australian Catholic University.
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Fr John Pearce CP,
member of the Passionist order. He is currently
Parish Priest of St Brigid's Marrickville (Sydney),
and is part of the local Ministers Fellowship and
Multi-faith Round Table.
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Professor Greg Barton, Director of the Centre for
Islam in the Modern World at Monash University.
The Muslim participants were:
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Mr Mehmet Saral – Affinity
Intercultural Foundation, New South Wales, President and
Cofounder.
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Mrs Zuleyha Keskin – Affinity
Intercultural Foundation, New South Wales, Vice President.
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Mr Orhan Cicek – Australian
Intercultural Society, Victoria, Executive Advisor and
Cofounder.
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Mrs Turkan Cicek – Australian
Intercultural Society Women’s Network, Victoria, Coordinator
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Mr Fatih Asar – Queensland
Intercultural Society, President.
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Prof Ismail Albayrak – Australian Catholic
University, Melbourne, Fethullah Gülen Chair.
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Mr Ikebal Patel – Australian
Federation of Islamic Councils, President.
- Mr Osman Karolia – Arkana Islamic
College, New South Wales, Principal.
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Mr Mustafa Ally – Crescents Community
News, Queensland Editor-in-Chief.
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Mr Albert Fatileh
– Member of the Victoria Police
Multicultural Advisory Unit, Secretary of the Victoria
Police Multi-Faith Council.
Miss Heba Ibrahim
– Board member of the Islamic
Council of Victoria (ICV), secretary to the executive
committee (portfolios are: government, policy and advocacy
as well as interfaith).
TOUR REPORT
ISTANBUL
Visiting Sultan Ahmet Square, Istanbul ,
which contains the Blue Mosque (aka Sultan Ahmet Mosque),
Haghia Sophia, Topkapi Palace, Hagaia Erenia Church in
Topkapi palace, Hippodrome, Obelisk of Theodosius,
Serpentine Column, German Fountain of Wilhelm II and the
Sixth-century Byzantine cistern. The history in just this
square was so substantial that most of the ~8 Million
tourists who visit Istanbul every year do not leave without
visiting the Sultan Ahmet Square.
Grand Bazaar, Istanbul
Grand Bazaar is a small town in itself, with
miles of pasSağ eways, mosques, banks, police stations,
restaurants—and ~4000 shops. It is a very historical site,
built by the Ottomans and is the largest number of shops in
a shopping centre found anywhere in the World. All the shops
have traditional bazaar authenticity about them.
Meeting with Istanbul Deputy Lord Mayor
Along with our tour partners in Turkey –
PASIAD (Asia-Pacific Social & Economic Solidarity
Foundation), our touring party visited the Istanbul Major
City Deputy Lord Mayor, Mr Ahmet Selamat, gave us a brief
description of Istanbul and its 39 Council regions across
Istanbul.
Meeting at “Gülen movement” Colleges in Turkey
We visited two of
these colleges in our 7 day stay in Turkey: - Cemberlitas
FEM College in Istanbul: We met His Eminence Mr Mehmet Ali
Sengul from the Gülen movement who inspired us with his
great words of wisdom. - Buyukkoyuncu Private College in
Konya, where a Whirling Derwish presentation was conducted
by students from the College.
Meeting at Writers and Journalists
Foundation
The Writers & Journalists Foundation formed
in 1994, this foundation’s main focus is to conduct dialogue
initiatives in a country which is 98% Muslim amongst the
minority groups in Turkey, such as Greek, Armenian, Assyrian
Orthodox Churches, Alawi groups etc. The organisation was a
frontier in creating positive social changes for minorities
in Turkey. The organisation also focuses on Sunni/Shiite
relations and building relations with the Kurdish community.
The forming of this organisation has led to the creation of
other similar interfaith and intercultural foundations in
other parts of the World.
Visit Pope Roncalli House and Catholic
Centre and Vatican Ambassador for Istanbul
Visit to the house in which Archbishop
Angelo Roncalli – later John XXIII – lived while Papal
Nuncio to Turkey prior to and during the Second World War.
This house had direct significance for us on this
pilgrimage. It is said that it was in this house – which is
still used for the Papal Nuncio in Turkey (currently
Archbishop Antonio Lucibello) – that Roncalli developed the
idea of a new ecumenical council. Later, this idea came to a
reality when Roncalli was elected Pope. It is directly
because of that Council’s statement on the relation of the
Church to other religions (Nostra Aetate 1965) that a
pilgrimage such as ours has become a possibility more than
sixty years later.
Visit Assyrian Catholic Leader, Yusuf Sağ
The Chorepiscopus and his wife have lived in
Istanbul for 46 years. He ushered us into a very formal
meeting room (Vatican style) which had one wall full of
floral tributes that had been sent to the Assyrians for
Easter – mostly (and he made a big point of this) from
Muslim organisations in the City. His sense of humour was
extremely entertaining and his welcome was very warm. His
Eminence, Yusuf Sağ, talked to us about the importance of
dialogue and of the importance of Easter. He spoke of
Fethullah Gülen with great admiration for his work.
Visiting Fatih University
Fatih University teaches subjects in
Engineering, Sciences and the Arts. It has become one of the
most popular universities, particularly to overseas
students.
Visit to Rumi’s Tomb and Mawlana Museum and
historical sites of Konya
One of the most popular poets among Western
readers today is a poet from the 13th century, Rumi. Rumi
still inspires many with his works. Rumi came from the
tradition of mystical Islam. One of its better known
features is the whirling dervishes whose swirling dance is
aimed at creating a sense of transcendence. Visiting the
Tomb of Rumi as part of our joint pilgrimage is not only
significant for Muslim’s, but also very important to many
people in the West. The famous saying of Rumi continue to
inspire people centuries later;
"Come, come again,
whoever you are, come!
Heathen, fire
worshipper or idolatrous, come!
Come even if you broke
your penitence a hundred times,
Ours is the portal of hope, come as
you are."
Visit to “Academia” where a group discussion
took place with Academia’s scholars
Academia’s focus is to publish books on
various Islamic and contemporary issues facing the World
today. A lot of the thoughts of Gülen are also published
here by many scholars.
Visit Istanbul Deputy Mufti Mehmet Asik
The Turkish Religious Affairs Ministry
Deputy Mufti, Mr Mehmet Asik, was also visited. The
Religious Affairs Ministry of Turkey provides trained and
College educated Imam’s to head up many of the Mosque’s in
Turkey. It also provides University educated Imam’s to
conduct theological research including producing many
Islamic publications and to perform sermons at Mosque’s
during the Friday and Eid Festival prayers.
Visit to Samanyolu
Television Station (STV)
STV TV station is one of the most popular
watched TV stations in Turkey. There are now 6 TV stations
that have sprung from this initial one, with a BBC type news
channel, a religious channel and a channel broadcast in
English in the USA called Ebru TV.
Visit to Zaman Newspaper, Turkey’s highest
circulation Daily

Zaman has the highest circulation daily
in Turkey with ~1 Million subscribers/sales.
ROME
Visit to Historical places in Rome
Rome, like Istanbul, is an Open Air Museum,
with so many historical buildings to see. From The Forum,
the Colliseum, Piazza, The Pantheon, Piazza Navona, The
Trevi Fountain, The Spanish Steps to the Vatican City itself
with St Peter’s Basilica, there is so much history through
the streets of Imperial Rome.
Reception with His Excellency, the Hon. Tim
Fischer, Australian Ambassador to the Holy See
The Hon Tim Fischer hosted the touring party
in a reception at the Australian Embassy to the Vatican’s
residence. As you would all know Mr Fischer was the former
Nationals Leader
and Deputy PM of Australia during the Howard
government. There were many dignitaries at the reception
including the Turkish Ambassador to the Holy See, Mr Muammer
Dogan Akdur, Protestant and Catholic Clerical leaders and
the Director of English and Italian Programming for the
Vatican Radio, Mr Sean-Patrick Lovett.
Meeting with staff of the Pontifical Council
for Interreligious Dialogue
We were received by Monsignor Khaled Akasheh,
who was the Head Officer for Islam in the Pontifical
Council. He gave us a rundown of the works undertaken by the
Council and the relations it has with people of other
faiths, particularly Islam.
General Papal audience
The group attended the weekly Papal Mass at
St Peters Square. The Pope and the audience were notified of
our Muslim-Christian group’s presence and the fact that we
were making an interfaith pilgrimage to the Vatican, which
was a pioneering achievement.
Institute for the Study of Religions and
Cultures (Gregorian University) Director: Felix Körner SJ
We attended the Gregorian University and
attended the Study of Religions & Culture Department under
the leadership of Jesuit leader Felix Korner. This was the
Institute where Bishop Prowse had studied in Rome many years
back.
Pontifical Institute of Arabic and Islamic
Studies: Director: Fr. Miguel A. Ayuso
Fr Miguel Ayuso gave us a very good run down
of the Institute for Arabic & Islamic studies. He informed
us that the Institute currently has 55 students with 25
Professors. There are 37,000 books in Arabic and Islamic
Studies. The Institute published a book in 1975 called “Islamachristiana”.
Version 34 of this book was published this year. They also
published a second book called “Ecumenism in Islam” and a
3rd book is out soon as well.
Istituto Tevere
The Istituto Tevere is an intercultural
centre established by the Gülen movement in Rome. His
Eminence Abdullah Aymaz, Gülen movement coordinator for
Europe and Mustafa Cenap Aydin, Coordinator for the Tevere
Institute, gave us a quick rundown of the Centre and
answered many questions from the touring party. Afterwards,
they brought us all to the finest restaurant in Rome for
dinner.
Visit
to Francis of Assisi
Visited the Town of Assisi, which is 2 hours
north of Rome. We visited the St Mary of the Angels,
Basilica of St Francis and the Basilica of S. Chiara. We
also walked through the medieval city with its original
streets and houses.
The Great Mosque
We attended The Great Mosque in Rome to
allow for the Muslim participants to attend the regular
Friday prayers. The Mosque would have had around 3,000
people attending the Friday prayer that day. It was a
wonderful Mosque built and paid for by the Kingdom of Saudi
Arabia.
Testimonials
There was no hint of proselytism here. There
was the simple desire to respect each other’s religion and
learn. It was a humble desire to “make the peace” on a local
level in a time of global ignorance and ideological violence
between the two great missionary religions of the world:
Christianity and Islam. We were not disappointed. The
pilgrimage failed to produce any hint of religious
relativism and syncretism between us. On the contrary, it
produced a rich harvest of peoples profoundly formed in
their own religions and eagerly informed in the religion of
the “other”.
Bishop Christopher Prowse Catholic
Archdiocese of Melbourne
In Rome the Monastry was full of history and
being able to spend some nights in it was in itself a
highlight. The discussions with the Vatican's Interfaith arm
was very encouraging. The Australian Ambassador to the
Vatican, Honourable Tim Fisher was a very good host who
arranged for a number of good contacts to be made within a
few short hours. All in all the study tour was really
intense but also very rewarding. Both the Muslim and
Catholic participants were sincere in their dialogue and
willing to learn and to teach other at the same time and
also to take care of each other.
Ikebal Patel President Australian Federation of Islamic
Councils
Turkish food and hospitality are marvelous.
At our first hotel, The Golden Horn, there must have been
fifty separate dishes at the breakfast buffet. It is next to
impossible therefore to have a light breakfast when the food
and cakes are so fresh and inviting. Gülen movement’s
generous outreach is not confined to Turkey. I met teachers
at another of the Gülen schools who had worked for several
years in Turkmenistan in a school that had been built by the
movement. The Gülen movement is active, especially in
education, in parts of Asia (particularly in the various
other “-stans”, those former members of the Russian
Federation) that are linked by history to modern Turkey, and
in Africa. These places are not easy assignments for young
people to work in. Nor are they familiar places to us
Australians who think of aid and developmental assistance
usually in terms of the Pacific. But they do indicate to me
in a powerful way the capacity of the Fethullah Gülen
movement to promote service, to inspire dedication, and to
elevate vision that one has to take very seriously.
Dr Max Stephens Senior Research Fellow
Australian Catholic University
The opportunity to travel, eat and sleep
with 11 Catholics over a fortnight demonstrated that
followers of both religious traditions can not only learn
from each other but actually enjoy their company. I was
thrilled to visit places holy to Christians and learn more
about their faith and I was impressed at their enthusiasm to
absorb knowledge on Islam. It was satisfying to be a part of
a group that did not just talk about peace and tolerance but
actually demonstrated it in all that we did.
Osman Karolia School Principal Arkana
Islamic College


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